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Re: Angle of view comparisons?

by "David J. Littleboy" <davidjl@[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Mar 16, 2008 at 12:59 AM

"Paul Furman" <paul-@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
> David J. Littleboy wrote:
>> Steven Green wrote:
>>> Anyone use a PC lens on the smaller Canon sensors?
>>
>> I have the 24TSE and a 300D, but I haven't used them together, so
FWIW...
>>
>> With FF, the Canon 24mm TSE gets a tad funky at the edges at full ****ft

>> (you don't want to use over 8mm of ****ft if there's im****tant detail at

>> the edge of the frame farthest from the center), but that wouldn't be a

>> problem on a cropped sensor, so you'd be able to use the full 11mm of 
>> ****ft with no problems. And 11mm of ****ft on a 16x24mm sensor is plenty

>> of ****ft.
>>
>> You'll have to figure out for yourself if you have need of a 38.4mm 
>> equivalent TSE lens, though. That's not very wide.
>
> I'm not sure 11mm of ****ft is that much at 38mm equivalent though.

I think it is. With the camera level and in landscape orientation, the 
horizon moves from the center of the frame to below the bottom of the
frame. 
In ****trait orientation, the horizon moves from the center of the frame to

just above the bottom of the frame. Remember, the frame is only 16 x 24
mm, 
so it's the same as 1.5x the amount of ****ft in a real 38mm lens on a real

camera.

> I use an 85mm tilt/****ft micro-nikkor on a D200 and the ****ft does
almost 
> nothing.

That's because it's a long tele on a cropped camera.

****fting fixes the keystone distortion you'd get by tilting the camera by 
somewhat less than 1/2 the AOV of the lens.

With a long lens, the amount of keystone distortion introduced by tilting 
the camera by 1/2 the verticle AOV is tiny. With a 40mm lens, it's 
significant. So with a 40 mm lens, you appreciate ****ft a lot more than
you 
do with a 125mm lens.

> It's intended for table-top product shooting to keep lines straight & 
> control DOF. The tilt is super handy though because DOF is tight with 
> closeups and it's a very sharp lens, extremely useful for my purposes.

Exactly.

> The ****ft would be more useful if it allowed more ****ft on a crop frame 
> camera, it would be nice if the new Nikon t/s lenses did that but it
won't 
> happen.

Stand next to a wall with some detail. Tilt so that the wall is in focus 
from close at hand to infinity. Now some vertical ****ft (up and down) will

let you take three rather different images of the wall. I think.

> Anyways I'd say that if you want a wide ****ft lens, full frame is 
> necessary. I've tinkered around with 28mm plunger-cam tilt ****ft on crop

> frame and it's well, 'normal', not wide.
>
>> I have a 35mm medium format lens in a ****ft adapter for the 5D, but 
>> haven't actually used it.
>
> Sounds fun! That (Hartblei?) probably gets a lot of ****ft.

No, it's the Mamiya 645's 35/3.5. Here's the one test shot I took with it.

Note that it's _killer_ sharp in the center, producing nasty moiré on a 
building in the background. That was handheld, so I didn't get it quite 
straight. But it gives 16mm of usable ****ft on the 5D, so it is, I think,
a 
functionally similar beast to the 24 TSE on a cropped camera. (Sheesh, I 
should just go pull the 300D out of the closet, charge the battery, and
take 
some test shots to see if I've got this right.)

http://www.pbase.com/davidjl/image/57362779/large

David J. Littleboy
Tokyo, Japan
 




 17 Posts in Topic:
Angle of view comparisons?
Steven Green <steven.g  2008-03-14 22:20:47 
Re: Angle of view comparisons?
frederick <lost@[EMAIL  2008-03-15 12:27:45 
Re: Angle of view comparisons?
Ray Paseur <Ray.Paseur  2008-03-14 23:41:01 
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Archibald <Archibald@[  2008-03-15 01:19:15 
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Ray Paseur <Ray.Paseur  2008-03-15 17:46:58 
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"OG" <owen@[  2008-03-14 23:47:42 
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"Focus" <foc  2008-03-14 23:53:04 
Re: Angle of view comparisons?
frederick <lost@[EMAIL  2008-03-15 13:02:24 
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"Joseph Meehan"  2008-03-14 20:06:02 
Re: Angle of view comparisons?
frederick <lost@[EMAIL  2008-03-15 13:50:26 
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"Peter" <pet  2008-03-14 20:23:02 
Re: Angle of view comparisons?
Steven Green <steven.g  2008-03-15 11:44:14 
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"David J. Littleboy&  2008-03-15 21:19:22 
Re: Angle of view comparisons?
Paul Furman <paul-@[EM  2008-03-15 13:28:17 
Re: Angle of view comparisons?
"David J. Littleboy&  2008-03-16 00:59:14 
Re: Angle of view comparisons?
"David Ruether"  2008-03-15 13:25:55 
Re: Angle of view comparisons?
Jürgen Exner <jurgenex  2008-03-15 16:53:31 

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