Vance wrote:
> On Mar 30, 5:53 am, Roy Jose Lorr <ken...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>
>>Marvin wrote:
>>
>>>Roy Jose Lorr wrote:
>>
>>>>Marvin wrote:
>>
>>>>>Rob Morley wrote:
>>
>>>>>>In article <c5CdnT6ad5xvgXbanZ2dnUVZ_u2mn...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>, Roy Jose
>>>>>>Lorr ken...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
says...
>>
>>>>>>>All of life is a constant attempt to manipulate environment. When
>>>>>>>manipulation is the primary means to an artistic visual
>>>>>>>representation of inner spirit, which all art must be, the end
>>>>>>>result is outright lie which nowadays comes out as soulless cartoon
>>>>>>>fantasy. The reason photography is less than art is that what it
>>>>>>>depicts is experienced second hand, its creator cannot see to
>>>>>>>engage the subject with the spirit, the tool stands in the way.
>>>>>>>Thus, gimmick substitutes not only for experiment but for true
>>>>>>>emotion and spiritual connection, not only in the perpetrator of
>>>>>>>the artifact but in those who view the travesty as well.
>>
>>>>>>What an utter load of bollocks.
>>
>>>>>It's "art-speak".
>>
>>>>Whatever its called, it invites serious refutation rather than mere
>>>>discomforted grunts.
>>
>>>So refute it.
>>
>>Refute my own assertion?
>>
>> Your frequent postings seem to have no point to them.
>>
>>I doubt I've posted to this ng more than a dozen times, 98% of those
>>posts exclusive to this thread. If that seems like "frequent" posting
>>to you... well...- Hide quoted text -
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>
> Actually, you have posted to this NG approaching 70 time
You lie.
with the
> salience, clarity and incisive intellectual construction demonstrated
> in your posts to other groups.
You have trouble saying what you mean?
> The percentage of posts to this thread is somewhat less than you
> estimate.
Did you do a count or are you making that up?
>
> In spite of how clear everything is about you statements, there is one
> linguistic token that is ambigous. Is your use of 'manipulation' a
> label for an act intentionally carried out on the environmnet in order
> to effect a desired change in the in the state of affairs of the
> actors environment, or would you include the unintended consequences
> of such an act as part of the manipulation?
Manipulation can be conscious or unconscious. Unintended consequences
are irrelevant.
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