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Re: Questions/opinions about variable-density optical audio track

by "Green Xenon [Radium]" <glucegen1@[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Apr 28, 2008 at 06:35 PM

Ken Hart wrote:
> "Green Xenon [Radium]" <glucegen1@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message 
> news:480e9386$0$3361$4c368faf@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> Ken Hart wrote:
>>> "Green Xenon [Radium]" <glucegen1@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message 
>>> news:480e43da$0$4092$4c368faf@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>>> Ken Hart wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> As for the characteristics of the film, a finer grain film will
allow a 
>>>>> quicker change in density, allowing a higher frequency sound to be 
>>>>> recorded for a given speed of trans****t.
>>>> What is the finest grain that can be achieved?
>>> Generally speaking, the lower the film speed (the sensitivity of the
film 
>>> to light expressed as "ISO"), the finer the film's grain. Check with
the 
>>> manufacturer to determine the finest grain, usually expressed as line 
>>> pairs.
>>> I have never used a film in the manner you are exploring, so I can't
give 
>>> exact answers; I can only answer in terms of 'pictorial' use of film.
>>
>> Can a film with a lower ISO handle a louder sound without clipping than
a 
>> film with a higher ISO? I ask because I get the feeling that if there 
>> grains are finer, the film can record more levels of amplitude -- just 
>> like a 16-bit audio file can handle 65536 loudness levels while an
8-bit 
>> audio file can handle only 256 loudness levels. I could be very wrong 
>> though. Not sure if this is a good analogy at all.
> 
> Yes. a finer grain film should be able to handle more discretely
different 
> loudness levels, however, the film developement will determine will the 
> first and last loudness level will be. (There are films which are
designed 
> to render exposure as either black or white- such films, while very fine

> grained would yield little dynamic range.) To continue your analogy
(which 
> isn't really far off), imagine setting all the lower bits to one (or
zero). 
> Or imagine setting the higher bits all to zero (or one). Under
developement 
> or over developement could cause this. Additionally, (just to throw a 
> curveball into your analogy!), the bits in the middle are not evenly
spaced.
> I think that if you check out the response curve of different films,
this 
> may become more clear, or hopelessly muddled! Film doesn't have a
straight 
> line response to the amount of light hitting it. Whether that response 
> matches audio's log curve, I don't know.
> 
> 
> 


It seems here that a finer grain density can handle both a louder volume 
[without clipping] and higher frequencies [without aliasing] than a 
coarser grain.

Does an audio track with finer grain density have any disadvantage when 
compared to an audio track with coarser grain? I wouldn't think so at 
this point but I could be wrong.
 




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Questions/opinions about variable-density optical audio track re
"Green Xenon [Radium  2008-04-21 17:54:23 
Re: Questions/opinions about variable-density optical audio trac
"Ken Hart" <  2008-04-22 03:58:39 
Re: Questions/opinions about variable-density optical audio trac
"Green Xenon [Radium  2008-04-21 22:05:02 
Re: Questions/opinions about variable-density optical audio trac
"Ken Hart" <  2008-04-22 12:29:02 
Re: Questions/opinions about variable-density optical audio trac
"Green Xenon [Radium  2008-04-22 13:00:28 
Re: Questions/opinions about variable-density optical audio trac
"Ken Hart" <  2008-04-23 01:33:32 
Re: Questions/opinions about variable-density optical audio trac
"Green Xenon [Radium  2008-04-22 18:40:23 
Re: Questions/opinions about variable-density optical audio trac
"Ken Hart" <  2008-04-23 04:33:40 
Re: Questions/opinions about variable-density optical audio trac
"Green Xenon [Radium  2008-04-28 18:35:28 
Re: Questions/opinions about variable-density optical audio trac
"Ken Hart" <  2008-04-29 18:24:32 
Re: Questions/opinions about variable-density optical audio trac
krishnananda <k@[EMAIL  2008-04-22 00:09:13 

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