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Re: Gone with the what?

by Alienjones <Alienjones@[EMAIL PROTECTED] > May 2, 2008 at 11:35 AM

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Neil Harrington wrote:

|
|> To get people talking about photography and (hopefully) explore their
|> own creativity in the process. You should try it sometime or is the
|> likely hood one of the trolls might do a number on you too daunting?
|
| Not at all. But I'm wondering at this point if *you* have learned
anything
| from the discussion or if you still believe the photo to be the flawless
| masterpiece you apparently thought it was when you put it up. In other
| words, have *you* really "explored your own creativity"? Remember what
the
| word "explore" means. It doesn't mean just "look at one's own work with
| uncritical self-admiration."
|
| Neil
|
|

So have you side stepped the question regarding your photos or do we get
a link?

I learn a lot from every photo I post a link to... Before ever I post
it. Every day I wake, I explore my creativity. I live amongst some of
the most creative and artistic people in Australia. Their opinions I
value deeply.

Opinions of Usenet posters who criticize without showing they can and
do, do better are taken with the knowledge this is after all Usenet.

I never thought this picture was "flawless" as you put it. If you knew
my posting history you'd know different. As for your "no 30's
Professional Photographer" rubbish... ROTFL.

When I was 14 I stood in the back of a Professional Photographer's van
developing photos for five quid a week. He was a street photographer in
the main street of Melbourne. A genuine article "30's professional
photographer".

You seem to confuse a working professional with the pedantic fiddling of
Amateurs who churn out one or two photo of exemplary merit every month.

Long ago I learned that the difference between a professional and an
enthusiastic amateur is that a pro knows what he can get away with and
exactly how much his photos are worth, an enthusiast doesn't know either.

I churn out anywhere between 300 and 600 "professional" photos every
week. In the high season I produce twice that many. My panorama ans
seascape canvas prints are on sale all up the east coast of Australia.

Your rather naive belief people like me can afford the luxury of being
pedantic and spend hours fiddling an image, carries with it the
suggestion there are a plethora of clients in Australia who will pay
serious money for a single photo... There isn't. They eva****ated when
digital cameras came on the scene.

IN 1982 my average client asked what poses they would get and if the
album was leather or cheap plastic. Typically they were willing to pay 2
to 3 grand.

Today 40% of inquiries ask first how much I charge and second, how many
'images' they will get and bugger the album, they want all the files on
disc for $600!.

If anything I am an evolution of the species. When most ex Pro
photographer's my age are sitting in a deck chair on some cruise ****p as
they demolish their kid's inheritance, I evolved and compete quite
nicely with the kids armed with digital cameras and a fast mouth.

So show us your photos, Neil before I consider you a troll and shut the
lid on you.
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Gone with the what?
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