"Alienjones" <Alienjones@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> Neil Harrington wrote:
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> |
> |> To get people talking about photography and (hopefully) explore their
> |> own creativity in the process. You should try it sometime or is the
> |> likely hood one of the trolls might do a number on you too daunting?
> |
> | Not at all. But I'm wondering at this point if *you* have learned
> anything
> | from the discussion or if you still believe the photo to be the
flawless
> | masterpiece you apparently thought it was when you put it up. In other
> | words, have *you* really "explored your own creativity"? Remember what
> the
> | word "explore" means. It doesn't mean just "look at one's own work
with
> | uncritical self-admiration."
> |
> | Neil
> |
> |
>
> So have you side stepped the question regarding your photos or do we get
> a link?
I don't have any photos online.
>
> I learn a lot from every photo I post a link to... Before ever I post
> it. Every day I wake, I explore my creativity. I live amongst some of
> the most creative and artistic people in Australia. Their opinions I
> value deeply.
>
> Opinions of Usenet posters who criticize without showing they can and
> do, do better are taken with the knowledge this is after all Usenet.
>
> I never thought this picture was "flawless" as you put it. If you knew
> my posting history you'd know different. As for your "no 30's
> Professional Photographer" rubbish... ROTFL.
>
> When I was 14 I stood in the back of a Professional Photographer's van
> developing photos for five quid a week. He was a street photographer in
> the main street of Melbourne. A genuine article "30's professional
> photographer".
>
> You seem to confuse a working professional with the pedantic fiddling of
> Amateurs who churn out one or two photo of exemplary merit every month.
No, I don't confuse "working professionals" with anyone else. I suppose
I'm
one of those "pedantic fiddling amateurs."
>
> Long ago I learned that the difference between a professional and an
> enthusiastic amateur is that a pro knows what he can get away with and
> exactly how much his photos are worth, an enthusiast doesn't know
either.
I'm an enthusiast and neither know nor care "exactly how much my photos
are
worth." I have done a little photography for pay -- when asked to as a
favor -- but hardly enough to mention, and I really have no interest in
doing that.
>
> I churn out anywhere between 300 and 600 "professional" photos every
> week. In the high season I produce twice that many. My panorama ans
> seascape canvas prints are on sale all up the east coast of Australia.
>
> Your rather naive belief people like me can afford the luxury of being
> pedantic and spend hours fiddling an image,
Well, many people who are serious about their photography (whether as a
hobby or a profession) do exactly that. You seem to be saying you're
careless about your work and it doesn't matter, as long as customers will
pay for it.
> carries with it the
> suggestion there are a plethora of clients in Australia who will pay
> serious money for a single photo... There isn't. They eva****ated when
> digital cameras came on the scene.
That's interesting. I guess I'm not surprised, though. Digital cameras
have
surely changed a lot about photography in many ways.
>
> IN 1982 my average client asked what poses they would get and if the
> album was leather or cheap plastic. Typically they were willing to pay 2
> to 3 grand.
>
> Today 40% of inquiries ask first how much I charge and second, how many
> 'images' they will get and bugger the album, they want all the files on
> disc for $600!.
>
> If anything I am an evolution of the species. When most ex Pro
> photographer's my age are sitting in a deck chair on some cruise ****p as
> they demolish their kid's inheritance, I evolved and compete quite
> nicely with the kids armed with digital cameras and a fast mouth.
>
> So show us your photos, Neil before I consider you a troll and shut the
> lid on you.
That's a threat that's supposed to matter to me?
If I ever do put any photos online and think others might be interested,
I'll post a link. Really I do photography only for myself, my friends and
relatives, and because I enjoy doing it. I have no need or desire to try
to
impress you or anyone else. But I can assure you that if I ever do link to
a
photo of mine, the girl won't have a blotchy face and someone's nose in
her
eye -- unless I do it for comic effect.
The fact that *you* want to post your photos, for whatever reason, does
not
oblige anyone else to. In the case of the photo you did link to, which was
your example of "capturing the essence of the moment with the classic and
timeless," the photo has some obvious problems which I and others have
pointed out, and which you did not seem to be aware of.
Neil
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