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Re: Improved T-Max 400

by Jean-David Beyer <jdbeyer@[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Oct 29, 2007 at 10:46 PM

On 2007-10-29, UC <uraniumcommittee@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
> On Oct 28, 9:23 pm, t...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 (Thor Lancelot Simon) wrote:
>> In article <1193589625.019232.237...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>,
>>
>> UC  <uraniumcommit...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>>
>> >No, I test the materials I use.
>>
>> Do you?  Because you referred to a H&D curve you had, pur****tedly,
>> generated yourself, but then when I challenged you to post it, you said
>> to look at the published Kodak curve (which does not appear to show
>> anything like the effect you originally claimed).  So.  Let's see some
of
>> this data from the testing you supposedly do of the materials you
supposedly
>> use.
>
> I never said I generated any H&D curve myself. The curve that Kodak
> publishes sup****ts what I say about the film. If you don't understand
> that, too bad. Tri-X shoulders off in teh highlight region. T-Max 400
> does not. It's that simple. For outdoor work, a curve like that of Tri-
> X is preferable.

When I look at Kodak's graph for Tri-X 4164, I get only a hint of a
shoulder, and that begins at a density of 2 or more (depending on how
you develop it). Most photographers I know of would never want printable
highlights as dense as that. They either want them to go pure white,
or they adjust the contrast (if possible) in the field or in the
darkroom.

And furthermore, depending on how you develop it, the toe
starts at a density of 1 (though more likely, at a density of 0.7.
>
>>
>> Oh, I forgot, you just like to hang around here and _talk_ about all
the
>> photography you do.  One wouldn't expect less from a famous Usenet
kook,
>> I suppose.
>
> Famous? Hardly.
>>
>> --
>>   Thor Lancelot Simon                                       
t...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>
>>   "The inconsistency is startling, though admittedly, if consistency is
to
>>    be abandoned or transcended, there is no problem."            - Noam
Chomsky
>
>


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Improved T-Max 400
UC <uraniumcommittee@[  2007-10-10 17:13:14 
Re: Improved T-Max 400
Draco <JPDFDA@[EMAIL P  2007-10-10 12:24:08 
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UC <uraniumcommittee@[  2007-10-10 19:47:49 
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UC <uraniumcommittee@[  2007-10-10 20:10:33 
Re: Improved T-Max 400
"Richard Knoppow&quo  2007-10-12 15:34:24 
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Dana Myers <dana.myers  2007-10-12 15:54:15 
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"Pieter" <pv  2007-10-13 05:27:26 
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UC <uraniumcommittee@[  2007-10-12 16:53:23 
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Jean-David Beyer <jean  2007-10-14 01:42:21 
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Lloyd Erlick <Lloyd at  2007-10-14 07:18:02 
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"Nicholas O. Lindan&  2007-10-14 10:15:31 
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"Richard Knoppow&quo  2007-10-16 14:37:56 
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UC <uraniumcommittee@[  2007-10-13 12:16:46 
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tls@[EMAIL PROTECTED] (T  2007-10-13 19:40:10 
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"Pieter" <pv  2007-10-13 19:11:15 
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UC <uraniumcommittee@[  2007-10-14 13:45:32 
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UC <uraniumcommittee@[  2007-10-14 13:47:19 
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Jean-David Beyer <jean  2007-10-14 22:43:59 
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UC <uraniumcommittee@[  2007-10-15 13:19:10 
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Jean-David Beyer <jean  2007-10-15 14:15:03 
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Jean-David Beyer <jean  2007-10-15 14:26:46 
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"Nicholas O. Lindan&  2007-10-15 11:14:21 
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"Richard Knoppow&quo  2007-10-16 14:50:32 
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Dana Myers <dana.myers  2007-10-16 17:18:27 
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UC <uraniumcommittee@[  2007-10-15 14:24:02 
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UC <uraniumcommittee@[  2007-10-15 14:28:49 
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UC <uraniumcommitteech  2007-10-15 15:30:36 
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UC <uraniumcommittee@[  2007-10-15 11:53:07 
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UC <uraniumcommittee@[  2007-10-16 22:11:36 
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tls@[EMAIL PROTECTED] (T  2007-10-17 05:41:01 
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UC <uraniumcommittee@[  2007-10-17 13:32:17 
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"Richard Knoppow&quo  2007-10-17 15:25:07 
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UC <uraniumcommittee@[  2007-10-17 14:37:20 
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"Richard Knoppow&quo  2007-10-17 15:14:01 
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UC <uraniumcommittee@[  2007-10-17 15:08:20 
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UC <uraniumcommittee@[  2007-10-17 17:57:58 
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UC <uraniumcommittee@[  2007-10-17 18:01:03 
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UC <uraniumcommittee@[  2007-10-17 22:54:22 
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Keith Tapscott. <Keith  2007-10-23 19:58:14 
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brownt@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2007-10-26 07:04:13 
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UC <uraniumcommittee@[  2007-10-28 09:40:25 
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tls@[EMAIL PROTECTED] (T  2007-10-29 01:23:05 
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UC <uraniumcommittee@[  2007-10-29 11:06:21 
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Jean-David Beyer <jdbe  2007-10-29 22:46:12 
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UC <uraniumcommittee@[  2007-10-29 11:10:51 
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tls@[EMAIL PROTECTED] (T  2007-10-29 20:09:15 
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"Richard Knoppow&quo  2007-10-29 13:23:30 
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Peter Irwin <pirwin@[E  2007-10-29 22:57:33 
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"Richard Knoppow&quo  2007-10-29 19:35:32 
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"Richard Knoppow&quo  2007-10-30 01:41:36 
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Peter Irwin <pirwin@[E  2007-10-30 22:55:53 
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"Richard Knoppow&quo  2007-10-30 16:40:02 
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Peter Irwin <pirwin@[E  2007-10-31 01:05:10 
Re: Improved T-Max 400
"Nicholas O. Lindan&  2007-10-30 21:40:51 
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"Nicholas O. Lindan&  2007-10-30 21:57:40 
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"Nicholas O. Lindan&  2007-10-31 06:19:09 
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Peter Irwin <pirwin@[E  2007-10-31 02:28:13 
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"Richard Knoppow&quo  2007-10-30 22:05:22 
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Peter Irwin <pirwin@[E  2007-10-31 21:38:57 
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"Richard Knoppow&quo  2007-11-01 11:37:02 
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Peter Irwin <pirwin@[E  2007-11-02 00:48:16 
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"pico" <pico  2007-10-31 07:05:28 
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____ <internetphobic@[  2007-12-31 20:13:46 
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UC <uraniumcommittee@[  2007-10-30 17:10:11 
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UC <uraniumcommittee@[  2007-10-30 17:14:33 
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"Richard Knoppow&quo  2007-10-30 22:10:28 
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"pico" <pico  2007-10-31 07:10:33 
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UC <uraniumcommittee@[  2007-10-31 07:56:34 
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UC <uraniumcommittee@[  2007-10-31 07:58:54 
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"pico" <pico  2007-10-31 20:43:51 
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UC <uraniumcommittee@[  2007-10-31 15:01:32 
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Peter Irwin <pirwin@[E  2007-11-01 00:00:53 
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"pico" <pico  2007-10-31 20:49:00 
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Peter Irwin <pirwin@[E  2007-11-01 02:36:15 
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"pico" <pico  2007-11-01 07:35:35 
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"Richard Knoppow&quo  2007-11-01 11:45:57 
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"pico" <pico  2007-11-01 19:57:08 
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UC <uraniumcommittee@[  2007-11-01 08:57:43 
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tls@[EMAIL PROTECTED] (T  2007-11-01 16:50:00 
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UC <uraniumcommittee@[  2007-11-01 08:59:35 
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UC <uraniumcommittee@[  2007-11-01 09:01:49 
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UC <uraniumcommittee@[  2007-11-01 09:33:56 
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UC <uraniumcommittee@[  2007-11-01 10:48:42 
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Peter <pirwin@[EMAIL P  2007-11-01 21:49:34 
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UC <uraniumcommittee@[  2007-11-02 06:24:48 
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"Richard Knoppow&quo  2007-11-02 14:24:09 
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Peter Irwin <pirwin@[E  2007-11-06 01:32:57 
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"pico" <pico  2007-11-08 09:28:27 
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UC <uraniumcommittee@[  2007-11-02 14:40:15 
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UC <uraniumcommittee@[  2007-11-06 08:38:11 

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