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Re: Cloudy Chemistry

by "Richard Knoppow" <dickburk@[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Mar 10, 2008 at 12:42 PM

"A R" <news@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in 
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>I have two litres of Bromophen stock solution. It was made 
>a fortnight
> ago but has since developed a white sediment at the 
> bottom. Shaking the
> bottle causes the stock to go cloudy.
>
> This weekend I mixed Barry Thornton's two-bath developer. 
> Having never
> mixed my own chemistry from scratch, I wasn't sure what to 
> expect. The
> metol proved difficult to dissolve despite warming the 
> water and shaking
> the bottle quite vigorously -- the metol formed a 
> suspension in the
> sodium sulphite/water solution and had a tendency to 
> clump.
>
> A sediment forms at the bottom of Bath A, when left, and 
> turns cloudy
> when shaken.
>
> I have developed two rolls of 35mm in the two bath. The 
> first roll
> turned out okay, but the second turned out thin to the 
> point of being
> almost clear.
>
> The Bromophen has turned out good prints thus far.
>
> The solutions have been stored in a dim room at room 
> temperature in
> clear, plastic drinks bottles with the air squashed out.
>
> Are these sediments a good sign? Are they normal? How 
> should I deal with
> them? Could the thin negs be a result of the sediment (the 
> second reel
> was left in Bath A a minute less than the first)? Should 
> the metol
> dissolve fully?
>
>
>
> -- 

     About Metol, I has difficulty dissolving in a solution 
of sodium sulfite. You will notice that most formulas using 
it have you dissolve the metol first, then the sulfite. 
While the sulfite is there partly to protect the Metol and 
other developing agents from oxidation it really isn't 
necessary for the few minutes it takes to dissolve the 
Metol. To minimize the amount of oxidation boil the water to 
be used for about three minutes and let it sit and cool 
before use. The boiling will drive off most of the dissolved 
gasses.
     I am not sure about the sediment. It may be undissolved 
chemicals or it may be something in the water. Most packaged 
chemistry has sequestering agents in it to deal wtih the 
salts in hard water and to some degree with dissolved metals 
such as traces of iron compounds. It may be that your tap 
water has an unusual amount of something in it. You can use 
distilled water but grocery store distilled water is 
expensive and not always very pure. Another way is to use an 
activated charcoal filter, like a Brita filter, and then 
boil the water. This will eliminate most hardness and 
metallic ions. The water may also just be dirty, if so, the 
filter and boiling will remove most of it.
     If the developers work normally I would just filter 
them. Coffee filters work fine.
     Sometimes a little rubbing alcohol dissolved in the 
water will help the chemistry to dissolve. Perhaps 30ml (an 
ounce) in a liter (quart) of water.
     When mixing from scratch it sometimes helps to dissolve 
the separate ingredients in a portion of water and then add 
together the liquids.


-- 
---
Richard Knoppow
Los Angeles, CA, USA
dickburk@[EMAIL PROTECTED]





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Cloudy Chemistry
news@[EMAIL PROTECTED] (  2008-03-10 19:00:21 
Re: Cloudy Chemistry
"Richard Knoppow&quo  2008-03-10 12:42:47 

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