Jim, I specifically told you some resources where you could find the
types of images you are looking for. I also mentioned, again
sepcifically, that they most of them weren't free and I did that
because the impression created by your words implied that you were
primarily interested in free images. As already noted by others, that
is an impression created in two populations of native English speakers
in spite of any variations in the common language as used. This is
not the result of errors in logic or in the ability to read by any of
us.
To claim that your words do not explicitly convey a request for free
pictures, while factually true, seems somewhat disengenous in light of
how language is actually used. As a matter of efficiency, English,
like most languages, triggers sets of reliable inferences in the
reader/hearer which comprise the real meaning of the communication.
Fluency in a language is pretty much a matter of competency in just
that ability. To have the native speakers of English in two different
cultural contexts infer that you were looking for free images because
of the natural inferences drawn in reading you post speaks directly to
your communications.
As a wordsmith, even an amateur wordsmith (I include poets here, too),
you should have an understanding of how words and communications work
as the foundation of your craft.
In my original response to you, I also mentioned how you could
potentially find images that might be free. I included that because
your post was sufficiently ambiguous that it seemed reasonable to
mention it, though the far stronger impression created by you was you
were after free images.
What you have gotten for your inquiry through this whole series of
postings is some constructive (if occasionaly toney) feedback on your
communications and pointers to the resources needed for YOU to find
the pictures needed. You essentially have whatever this NG can
provide you at this point and others have mentioned moving on with
that. That is probably the best course because you have created the
impression that you are an ass. Taking a deep breathe, creating a
different nick and trying this again is another option that has also
been suggested. That would disconnect any of your future posts from
associations that have been formed in this thread.
On a personal level, I wasn't originally motivated to help you
directly on the basis of your being too vague in several areas. Now,
seeing your interactions here and getting sense of who I would be
dealing with, which may in fact be a false impression, I wouldn't want
to work with you on your project even to produce images on a
commissioned basis.
On Apr 7, 4:33=A0am, "jim" <j...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
> "Chris H" <ch...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> > In message <SxmKj.28814$dT.24...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>, jim
> > <j...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> writes
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> >>"Neil Barker" <n...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> >>news:MPG.22632a1b22b30553989b5b@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >>> In article <T0ZJj.28118$dT.12...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>,
j...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >>> says...
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> >>>> "Neil Barker" <n...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
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> >>>> > And you never offered to pay, either.
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> >>>> PAY FOR WHAT!? =A0YOU STILL HAVEN'T PRODUCED A DAMNED THING!
>
> >>> You have a bad attitude problem Jim, you really do.
>
> >>> You didn't explain yourself at all well in your initial post and
> >>> everyone here took it as meaning you were expecting them free.
Perhaps=
> >>> that should tell you something.
>
> >>Actually it does. =A0it tells me that that is the behavior that you
have=
> >>come
> >>to expect from people - even when that is not what is said.
>
> > Yes it is normal English comprehension. I suggest you learn it.
=A0Note =
the
> > same thing was assumed from people BOTH sides of the Atlantic. SO we
can=
> > assume what you wrote seemed clear to the majority of English
> > speakers/readers. That you were looking for Free photos. =A0You were
> > certainly asking for links to photos.
>
> As for people on both sides of the Atlantic making the same error...I do
n=
ot
> discount the fact that there are deficiencies of logic that know no
> geographical boundaries.
>
>
>
> >>That tells me that most people that have sought photos through you in
th=
e
> >>past were looking for free photos.
>
> > Not at all... It's just those who phrased it they way you did were
looki=
ng
> > for Free photos. Many people ask for photos, both paid for and free.
>
> And, when they do not specify (because either will do - as long as the
> photos sup****t the subject matter) you assume (keep in mind that I was
nev=
er
> asked - I was simply attacked based on childish assumptions) whatever
you
> wish instead of asking simple, logical questions to verify your
assumption=
s
> before acting foolish and attacking somebody for something that was only
i=
n
> your head.
>
>
>
> >>That tells me that people (in general) do not value good photography.
>
> > Then you have absolutely no comprehension of this NG at all! Clearly
you=
> > have not read, or at least understood the replies to you.
>
> > It seems your comprehension of English is again at fault. Are you a
nati=
ve
> > English speaker?
>
> You are a bloody nutjob. =A0You insist on sup****ting assumptions (you
are
> aware of what assumptions are, aren't you?) that are not sup****ted by my
> plainly written posts.
>
> You cannot be reasoned with when you continue to insist that something
was=
> "meant" when nothing in the original post sup****ts your argument.
>
> The argument that "A" is meant because "anti-A" was not said is both
> illogical and unsup****table.
>
> Using your reasoning, I can assume you are a terrorist and a child
molesto=
r.
> You never said you were, but I am assuming it based on your logic of
> assuming facts not in evidence.
>
>
>
> >>What it does not tell me is why I was lumped in with those assholes
base=
> >>purely on assumptions by posters in these ngs.
>
> > AFAICS You were lumped in with them for several reasons
>
> > 1 Your initial post implied you were looking for free pictures. That
was=
> > how it was read by native English speakers/readers from both sides of
th=
e
> > Atlantic =A0You certainly asked for links to photos and asked to see
pho=
tos
> > but there was no suggestion you were looking to buy any.
>
> There was nothing posted either way in my post. =A0The spin that some of
t=
he
> people here placed on my original post was entirely in their heads.
> (Bouncing around lonely in all likelihood...)
>
>
>
> > 2 Your attitude (of being an arse hole) in your replies to some
> > constructive criticism designed to help. May people who offered
> > constrictive criticism would have helped and probably found the
pictures=
> > you wanted (or gone and taken them).
>
> I give what I get.
>
> > 3 Your continual arguing that you are the only one who is right and
all
> > those who offered constructive criticism and would have offered
pictures=
> > (had you not behaved as such an arse hole) are all wrong.
>
> I will agree with you as soon as I am shown where I requested ANYTING
for
> free.
>
> > Net result is that in the photography NG's you have cross posted to
you
> > are seen as =A0an arrogant arse hole that no one is likely to help.
>
> Oh.....really? =A0So, there'll be no change then?
>
> > Had you taken the advice you were given earlier in this thread and
behav=
ed
> > politely by now I am sure you would have had all the photos you
needed.
> > You appear to be the looser in all this any yet you continue to dig
the
> > hole deeper.
>
> I, like most people, am not likely to respond well to false accusations.
> You should get used to that. =A0You will see it frequently throughout
your=
> life. =A0When people are pissed on, they get testy.
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