Re: Interview with Henry Wilhelm on print permanence

In article <Sd6dnToL1NLuRqbbnZ2dnUVZ_sWdnZ2d@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>, Matt Clara 
<hey.wood.y@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> writes
>
>Bull****.

The only bull**** is your inability to read historical facts.

>I don't doubt that some people (in high ozone areas) had
>problems, but I still have prints made on my 1270 that look as good as
the
>day I printed them, including one just sitting here in my basement
office,
>which has a dehumidifier only in terms of atmosphere control.

Big deal, so do I and so do many 1270 users - that doesn't mean the 
problem was only limited to "high ozone" areas as you suggest, otherwise 
I would never have experienced the problem in the first place and become 
active in its partial resolution.

That is part the problem - it takes more than one parameter to induce 
the effect.  The combination of those parameters is very common but not 
universal.  Initially the worst cases were limited to the specific paper 
which Wilhelm rated highest, and which Epson had to subsequently 
withdraw.  It applied to a much lesser extent on most of their media, 
even though these were rated lower by Wilhelm, a problem made worse by 
the fact that they were not recommended by Epson for highest archival 
quality.  It is still worst on the paper Epson introduced to replace the 
withdrawn version, although that is at least an order of magnitude more 
robust than the original (in terms of time to achieve the same level of 
fading under identical conditions).

So the fact that you have 1270 prints that "look as good as the day I 
printed them" means absolutely nothing and was, in fact, one of the 
obfuscation factors in resolving the problem.  Search the records and 
you will find many folks who made exactly the same claims as you - and a 
majority of those who subsequently changed their views after time and 
use of the specific media that Epson and Wilhelm made the claims for.

If I had a penny for every one of the 870/1270 users who claimed the 
problem didn't exist yet who, on further investigation, had never even 
used the long life media that Epson and Wilhelm were making their claims 
for then I would have no need to earn a living today!

>  What's your
>experience?
>
My experience of the issue is well documented in the archives of this 
and other forums where the subject was discussed at the time.  I was 
also the first point of contact Epson made within their European 
customer base when they finally decided to act in resolving the problem 
instead of ignoring it.  Again, all verifiable in the open archives 
should you require evidence.
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